A
Conversation with Helena Puumala, author of the Kati of Terra and Witches’
Stones Series
October
28, 2015 Garneau Pub, Edmonton, Alberta
Part
Twenty-Two –Science Fiction and Gothic
Question – Last time we talked
about “How evil should your villain be?”.
With Halloween almost upon us, it might be interesting to discuss the
how Science Fiction, Fantasy and Gothic (Horror) interrelate. What do you think is a good example of a Science
Fiction/Gothic crossover, assuming that such a beast exists.
Answer – The obvious classic
example is Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein.
The story about creating a live creature by animating dead flesh has
both Science Fiction elements and Gothic elements, in as much as it uses the
imagery of science (e.g. laboratories, electrical devices, a learned main
character), but also the imagery of the Gothic (e.g. castles, a gloomy
atmosphere, religious overtones, a general sense of dread and decay).
Question – So, basically the tropes
of what might be called Victorian Gothic.
Answer – Yes, but interestingly
enough, the book’s concluding chapters lead to the Arctic icefields. At the time that Shelly wrote the book (1820s
I think), little was known about the
Arctic and less about the Antarctic.
Question – For all they knew, ants lived in the
Antarctic.
Question – Um, sure. But the section of the book set in the
Arctic, can quite reasonably be thought of as incorporating more of the
American Gothic motif. She wrote
Frankenstein well before Edgar Allen Poe was published (1830s), so she could be
considered ahead of her time in that respect as well.
Question – I might just note for the sake of
some blog readers, that the Hollywood version of Frankenstein differs quite
substantially from Mary Shelley’s book.
But in some senses, it is the story that most people know better. So, feel free to call up memories of the book
or the movie, as the case may be – they both have legitimate claims on being
“the story”, in the popular mind.
What
aspects of Frankenstein do you consider American Gothic?
Answer – Well, having recently studied the
wiki entry on this, I would say that one key difference between the two
sub-genres is that American Gothic often places its characters in raw nature, such
as Shelly placed Dr. Frankenstein and his monster at the end of the book. That differs from Victorian or German Gothic,
which tends to be set in castles, abbeys, or other old, threatening, decaying
buildings. But the overall sense of
dread and foreboding is common to both.
Question – And what aspects of Frankenstein do
you consider Science Fiction?
Answer – Obviously, putting a creature
together from human parts, then animating it with electricity, was a very
“current” scientific idea of the time (excuse the pun). But it can also be thought of as a scientized
way of conjuring a spirit. And the very
fact that the main character, Victor Frankenstein is a young science student,
is a standard trope of Science Fiction. But he can also be paralleled with the Gothic
genre’s “religious figure gone wrong”.
So, Frankenstein can be thought of as classic Science Fiction, in as
much as it made use of scientific knowledge and speculation of the day, but
pushed that to a logical extreme, which infuses it with Gothic elements. You can read the story either way.
Question – As you say, the idea of animating
dead flesh with electricity was very much on the minds of scientists of the
day. It wasn’t that long after Galvani’s
experiments, where he made the muscles of dead frogs twitch via stimulating
them with electricity. But, as we know, re-animating the dead is now considered
extremely unlikely, other than perhaps the paddles used to resuscitate heart
attack victims. But who knows what the
future holds – there are a few bodies in cryogenic chambers, put there on the
assumption that science will one day crack that nut.
What
other Gothic have you read?
Answer – I have to admit, Gothic and Horror
are not really my thing. But I have read
Bram Stoker’s Dracula, and various pulp fiction type Gothic books as a
kid. Some Stephen King. Harry Potter, if you want to consider that
Gothic. You have to like scaring
yourself to really enjoy Gothic, and that’s not to everyone’s taste.
Question – I have seen you jump at the scary
scenes of an X-files or Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode, so I can attest to
the fact that you scare pretty easily, at least while engrossed in a television
show.
Answer – I suppose that’s part and parcel of
being a certain type of writer. I think
a fairly strong sense of empathy is needed to create fully rounded
characters. You share their emotions as
you create them, so it’s not surprising when you can also get caught up in the
plight of movie or TV characters in peril.
Question
– Even though you are not a big fan of Gothic, I think you have
incorporated some of the tropes of the genre in your own work. For example, the character Chrush, in Kati of
Terra Book 3, is pretty Gothic. He wants
to prolong his life at the expense of others, as many characters in Gothic
literature have, the obvious example being the vampire sub-genre.
Answer – That’s true, though Chrush does get
his comeuppances.
Question – As did Dracula. You also use some of the atmospheric imagery
of the Gothic genre in Kati of Terra.
Answer – I suppose the Citadel in Kati 3,
and the prison cellars in Kati 2, would qualify in that way.
And Kati’s having to traverse River City’s sewer system at night in Kati
1 is also kind of Gothic.
Question – And you used a fair bit of religious
imagery in Kati 1 – for example, The Children of the Survivors, The Temple of
the Morning Star of the Spring Equinox, the Temple District in River City. Those are all pretty Gothic.
Answer – I suppose, though I was thinking
that after a planet went through an environmental catastrophe, as the Drowned
Planet did, a lot of religious movements would naturally spring up. So, I wasn’t really intending it to come off
as Gothic, though as you say, there are connections.
Question – So, all things considered, did you consciously
use Gothic archetypes in your Science Fiction?
Or did it just happen?
Answer
– I would say that I didn’t set out to include Gothic elements, but one is a
captive of one’s culture, so you can end up using these things unconsciously.
Question – Just to close off, let me ask you
about your short story “Beyond the Blue Door”.
That seems like very much a classical “American Gothic” story.
Answer – Yes, in fact my working title as I
wrote it was “Northern Gothic”. But that
seemed a bit too general, so it was changed.
At any rate, it was a writer’s experiment. Sometimes you want to dabble a bit, try out
different ideas and explore other themes. You might have an idea or an emotional context
that you want to experiment with, and it might not be a good fit for your usual
genre. So, you stretch yourself a bit,
and write in a different genre.
That’s
the nice thing about the short story – you can do that, without investing the
time and intellectual resources of the full-length novel. If it works, you can attempt to incorporate
similar ideas into your usual genre. Or,
you can pivot to a different genre, at least for a while. It helps keep you fresh, or at least you
hope it does.
Question – “Beyond the Blue Door” concludes without
solving the mystery, exactly. What do
you think about that.
Answer - Often in Science Fiction, there is
the tendency to explain away the mystery, via advanced technology. That has its place, certainly. It can be fun and intellectually satisfying.
But
in some ways, it is best to be like “Beyond the Blue Door”. You have to leave the issue open. Otherwise, you cheat the reader out of the
mystery.
Question - And some questions can have no conclusive
answer, no explanation can be satisfying enough.
Answer – Just so. Sometimes you don’t want or need
closure. You want to leave it up to the
reader’s imagination to find their own closure.
Question – As always, it is up to the
reader. And that seems like a good place
to stop, shortly before Halloween.
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And
here are links to some of Helena’s books that were mentioned in the
conversation:
Kati of Terra, Book 1, Escape from the Drowned Planet (where we meet the evil slaver Gorsh and his associates):
Kati of Terra, Book 2, On
Assignment to the Planet of the Exalted (wherein a whole planet's elite
has become corrupt and evil, with the help of Gorsh):
Kati of Terra, Book 3, Showdown on the Planet of the Slavers (Gorsh, and his yet more evil ally Chrush):
U.S. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KHBN8FGU.K. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KHBN8FG
Beyond
the Blue Door (free on Amazon for Halloween):
Amazon U.S.: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon Canada: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon Australia: http://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon Germany: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon Japan: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon Canada: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon Australia: http://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon Germany: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
Amazon Japan: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00OX60XJU
The Magnetic Anomaly, also free on Amazon for Halloween)
Amazon U.S.: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon U.K. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon Can: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon Australia: http://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon Germany: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon Japan: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon U.S.: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon U.K. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon Can: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon Australia: http://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon Germany: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0176H22B4
Amazon Japan: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B0176H22B4
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And speaking of Frankenstein, here is an XKCD comic on that very subject.